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    Beth Michaels

    September 18, 2014: A New King for Scotland?

    Beth MichaelsBy Beth MichaelsSeptember 18, 2014Updated:July 17, 202046 Comments5 Mins Read
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    A Brief History

    Today, on September 18, 2014, Scotland is voting either yes or no on the topic of independence from Great Britain and the United Kingdom.  Only a simple majority vote is needed, that means 50% + one person.

    Update: As of July, 2020, Scotland is still part of the UK, although the Brexit fiasco looms over the union and the issue of the independence of Scotland is still a realistic possibility at some point.

    Digging Deeper

    Formally united in 1707 by the Act of Union which was ratified by both the English and Scottish parliaments, Scotland is now seeking to break that bond. 

    When asked what role the Queen would have in a new, independent Scotland, Alex Salmond, the First Minister of Scotland and proponent of the Yes Scotland campaign, said that Elizabeth II would automatically become Queen of Scotland, just as she is also Queen of Canada and Australia.   

    What many people do not know, however, is that there is another contender, one who in Scottish terms, might even have a better claim.

    To understand this situation, one has to go back 413 years to when Queen Elizabeth I died.  Without any children of her own, upon her death the English throne was given to a cousin who happened to also be King of Scotland.  Though James Stuart called himself “King of Great Britain,” he was, in fact, king of two independent countries – Scotland and England.  Of Scotland he was James VI; of England he was James I.  This went well (relatively speaking) until 1688 when James II’s wife, Mary of Modena, gave birth to a son.  By this time, Scotland and England were both primarily Protestant countries, and the birth of a Catholic heir was viewed as a threat.  Unrests followed, and in what became known as the Glorious Revolution, James II was ousted from his throne by his Protestant son-in-law and daughter, William and Mary, and forced to live in exile in France.  It was from there, that James II and his son, James Francis Edward Stuart, who became known as the “Old Pretender” would try to rouse up troops and the support of their followers, the Jacobites, to regain their thrones.  Neither of them was successful. 

    The most success was experienced by the eldest son of the “Old Pretender,” Charles Edward Louis Stuart, who was appropriately called the “Young Pretender.”  Also known as “Bonnie Prince Charlie,” he led the Jacobite Rising of 1745 in which Scottish highlanders and clans joined together to restore the Stuarts to the throne after it had been given to the Hanoverians.  The Jacobites, however, were crushed by British troops at the Battle of Culloden near Inverness, Scotland.  The reason the Hanoverians were in power was because during the reign of Queen Anne, another daughter of James II, the Act of Succession was passed in 1702 to ensure that no Catholic could ever inherit the throne of Great Britain.  This effectively barred the remaining Stuart line from assuming power and gave it to their German cousins, instead.  The “Young Pretender” had no surviving legitimate children, so at the death of his own younger brother, the Jacobite succession reverted to the descendents of Henrietta of England, a sister of James II, who had married into the French royal family.  

    The person who currently has the best Jacobite claim is Franz, Duke of Bavaria, head of the House of Wittelsbach.  As such, he is known as King Francis II within the Jacobite community.  He, himself, does not comment on his status and to date has not pursued his claim and is happy with his wiener dogs.  In fact, at his recent 80th birthday celebration, 6 Dachshund kennel clubs paraded past him in his honor.

    Whatever the outcome of the Scottish independence referendum, Scotland will most likely keep Elizabeth II as its Queen as there have been no rumors of plans to replace her.  Of course, who is to say what might happen should a monarch who is less agreeable follow her? 

    What might change with a break from England would be the currency for Scotland and the design and name of the British flag, the Union Jack, which was the flags of both England and Scotland superimposed on one another.  Everything else can be read in Alex Salmond’s 667-page publication titled “Scotland’s Future – Your Guide to an Independent Scotland,” in his words, the “most comprehensive blueprint for an independent country ever published.” 667 pages?!  Now that is dedication and commitment to a cause.  Halfway through, one is probably just about ready to give him any king or queen he wants.

    Question for students (and subscribers): Should Scotland be independent?  Please let us know in the comments section below this article.

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    Historical Evidence

    For more information, please see…

    Cochrane, Alan.  Scottish Independence: Yes or No (The Great Debate).  The History Press, 2014.

    Knox, William.  Scottish History For Dummies.  For Dummies, 2014.

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    Beth Michaels attended a private college in Northeast Ohio from which she earned a Bachelor’s degree in German with a minor in French. From there she moved to Germany where she attended the University of Heidelberg for two years. Additional schooling earned her certifications as a foreign language correspondent and state-certified translator. In her professional career, Beth worked for a leading German manufacturer of ophthalmological medical instruments and devices as a quality representative, regulatory affairs manager, and internal auditor.

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    1. Jordan Minninger on September 18, 2014 11:50 am

      If this does happen it will be huge! I cant wait to see how it turns out.

      Reply
    2. Ellen U on September 18, 2014 11:54 am

      This will certainly be an interesting course of events. It could change a lot for the people if Scotland, or not much at all.

      Reply
    3. Daniel Baltzly on September 18, 2014 12:04 pm

      If he has the right to this throne, even if he is down the line a little bit, what is keeping him from taking it. Plus he could use his history and ancestry on nobility to further his cause if he so wanted I’m sure.

      Reply
    4. Matthew Oswald on September 18, 2014 12:07 pm

      Very interesting! Only time will tell until we can fully see the outcome for the people of Scotland.

      Reply
    5. J. Benedict on September 18, 2014 12:19 pm

      I just don’t get why the Scottish would want to keep the queen if they are voting to become separate from England.

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    6. Cody Perotti on September 18, 2014 12:27 pm

      It is fascinating that even in today’s world, countries are forming from either territories or from succession after so long. I believe ultimately that it would be best for Scotland to stay for economic reasons.

      Reply
    7. Cody on September 18, 2014 12:27 pm

      If this does really happen it will be very big! Excited to see what will come out of it

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    8. MO on September 18, 2014 12:39 pm

      This is so interesting! I would not be surprised if he fought for the throne since they are separating, but I guess time will tell.

      Reply
    9. Ariel on September 18, 2014 12:46 pm

      It is exciting and nerve wracking to know it could be just one vote that keeps them joined or separates them. -AD

      Reply
    10. GB on September 18, 2014 1:19 pm

      Hopefully a great day for Scotland! Everyone will be on the edge of their seats until the vote is announced. Very exciting times ahead.

      Reply
    11. Rachael Harrington on September 18, 2014 1:25 pm

      I find this very interesting considering I did not even know that Scotland is a territory of England. But either way it doesn’t sound like much will change for the Queen.

      Reply
    12. rpugliese16 on September 18, 2014 1:30 pm

      Actually had no idea Scotland and England were related in that way. I know very little about these types of things so this was definitely an interesting read.

      Reply
    13. Braden McDonnell on September 18, 2014 1:50 pm

      FREEEEDOM!!

      Reply
    14. Audrey S. on September 18, 2014 2:27 pm

      It shall be interesting to see the outcome of the vote.

      Reply
    15. Pat Vecellio on September 18, 2014 3:00 pm

      It’s a very important day for Scotland!! I’m very interested to see the outcome.

      Reply
    16. DAVID WARDLE on September 18, 2014 3:35 pm

      I would not like to be the 50% + one person. Hopefully, it is a true majority in this case! — DAVID WARDLE

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    17. M Pribula on September 18, 2014 3:52 pm

      While it does not seem like much will change, at least in regards to the way in which the relationship between Scotland and England works, it is nonetheless very interesting to think about how two countries who have been together for over 300 years may now become different entities. This day could very well turn out to be one remembered by historians everywhere.

      Reply
    18. A. Britton on September 18, 2014 4:04 pm

      It is so crazy that one vote can change the status of England and Scotland for how we know it today! Very excited to see what happens

      Reply
    19. IG on September 18, 2014 5:02 pm

      I think it’s pretty interesting that even today in a society that we would probably call “the most civilized,” that we still have people arguing over independence of their country. It’s pretty cool how the mindset of humans in the ancient world was conquer or be conquered and many different ancient societies competed over land and resources. Now our mindset seems to be the exact opposite with many countries fighting for independence. As a species, our mindset seems to have shifted from a cold, objective kill or be killed mentality to a more compassionate and considerate point of view. The potential independence of Scotland is not only a huge feat for the country, but a signal for our more progressive way of thought for the future.

      Reply
    20. ryan mains` on September 18, 2014 5:45 pm

      It’ll definitely be a huge stepping stone not just for Scotland but for other countries as well I think. It could pose for other countries to follow Scotland’s lead and declare their own as well.

      Reply
    21. Jake Schaefer on September 18, 2014 6:45 pm

      I think that Scotland should push for independence. This event would be something very beneficial for the rest of the world to watch and learn from as it plays out. Scotland’s independence would show how strong a country like Scotland could be.

      Reply
    22. Alex Colucy on September 18, 2014 7:02 pm

      It will be very interesting to see how the votes go!

      Reply
    23. Hannah Overberger on September 18, 2014 7:22 pm

      That’s really interesting and it will be exciting to see what happens!

      Reply
    24. Marisa M. on September 18, 2014 8:14 pm

      I have a few friends from Scotland and they are hopeful of an outcome where Scotland gains their independence. This would sure make history if Scotland became an independent nation.

      Reply
    25. Josh Greiner on September 18, 2014 8:51 pm

      I had no idea that the Queen was also the Queen of Australia. I am also curious to see how the voting turns out.

      Reply
    26. E.Ejsmont on September 18, 2014 8:52 pm

      Very interesting topic. I would want to see what happens.

      Reply
    27. Alex on September 18, 2014 9:18 pm

      When I was in Europe, I met some Scottish people, and they told me how they hate England and want independence. Most people think Scotland is its own nation, and in fact do not know that it is really under English rule.

      Reply
    28. S Eilerman on September 18, 2014 9:29 pm

      I did not know Scotland was a part of Great Britain and I found it very odd that Queen Elizabeth II is also the Queen of Australia and Canada. That seems like a lot of power.

      Reply
    29. Lexi DeRoia on September 18, 2014 9:53 pm

      This is ironic you had us read about this today because I just heard about the voting for Scotland’s independence. I was not aware that this is actually a present issue.

      Reply
    30. T.Haubert on September 18, 2014 10:24 pm

      This makes you wonder who the rightful ruler of Scotland should be

      Reply
    31. Reese on September 19, 2014 12:04 am

      Before reading this article I didn’t know that Scotland was united with Great Britain and the United Kingdom. It’s great to see that they are trying to declare independence and I’m interested to see how things work out.

      Reply
    32. Cat Tripp on September 19, 2014 12:22 am

      I had no idea that Queen Elizabeth II was Queen of Canada and Australia. Interesting. I knew that Scotland was part of the UK. The people of Scotland should do what they want. They should consider any repercussions that may come with it however. They would have to form their own currency and other things, but independence might be nice.

      Reply
    33. MS on September 19, 2014 1:07 am

      I’m thinking they won’t gain their independence. Most countries that were seek their independence were doing so because of wrongs committed against them. As far as I know, Scotland and England are on good terms. I just don’t think there will be enough push for independence.

      Reply
    34. Michelle tuck on September 19, 2014 2:54 am

      There is no turmoil between Scotland and Great Britain, so the separation seems unlikely to me. I Can not imagine what Alex Salmond could possibly write over 600 pages about on this topic, however, I believe that there has to be a far more rewarding incentive for this split then distinguished coins and a new flag.

      Reply
    35. Angelina Huber on September 19, 2014 3:12 am

      I honestly don’t think that Scotland will gain its independence. First off, as far as I know, they do not have any parliament or government set up. If their intentions are to make Queen Elizabeth II the Queen over Scotland, then I see no point in breaking away from Great Britain for good. The only major change would be their economy, and if they’re going to be on their own, it might be a little rocky for awhile.

      Reply
    36. Nicole Buzalka on September 19, 2014 7:49 am

      I agree with Angelina. I do not believe they have the right tools set up to govern their own country. They are creating more trouble for themselves than it would be worth if Queen Elizabeth II would still be their Queen.

      Reply
    37. Drew K. on September 19, 2014 9:20 am

      I think that if Scotland decides to claim independence from England it is a decision that should be supported by all. It could really be argued that the two locations are culturally different enough from one another that they have been looked at by outside nations as independent countries already. Signing the paperwork just makes it official. It wouldn’t change much in the world because I feel like Scotland would generally align themselves with the UK anyways

      Reply
    38. Daryl Walsh on September 21, 2014 10:01 pm

      The queen being more of a symbol than anything, I think that it’s great that they have chosen to keep her in that position. I’ve only read up a little on the Scotland succession from England. I think it’s a great idea. Most of the opposition seems to be about Scotland’s finances. I also believe that many may feel that England’s global economic power or status in the global community might take a hit. I personally believe that it’s just something different and people will have to get used to it.

      Reply
    39. Lauren M on September 22, 2014 11:26 am

      I find it interesting that James Stuart was known as two different names in England and in Scotland.
      I also think it was interesting that Scotland decided against independence from England, but they have much more power staying with England.

      Reply
    40. Aaron C. on September 22, 2014 2:12 pm

      I really wonder how many different topics that 667 page plan covers. It seems like there is not much to go off of when it comes to talking about an independent Scotland.

      Reply
    41. Vince Ziccardi on September 22, 2014 6:06 pm

      I didn’t know that Queen Elizabeth was also the Queen in Australia. I think it would be great for becoming independent from Great Britain, but there will be so much work that has to be done. I personally think that this is all talk and will never happen since there’s no important reason for the independence. It all sounds great on paper and talking about it, but they won’t be about!

      Reply
    42. Amanda Evaleen Lint on September 22, 2014 9:21 pm

      I did not know that Queen Elizabeth was also queen of Australia!?

      Reply
    43. Jesse on September 25, 2014 12:47 pm

      It was news to me that she was also the queen of Australia!

      Reply
    44. Evin R on October 6, 2014 7:20 pm

      Coming from my relatively uninformed perspective, I don’t personally see much of a point in the break. Then again, from what little I know of politics, Governments require efforts in pointless directions.

      Reply
    45. BM on October 17, 2014 3:35 pm

      I had no idea that Scottland was part of Great Britain a long with everyone else so thats new information to me. I would like to see them gain independence but I don’t think it would actually get to that point, but hey anything is possible these days

      Reply
    46. Rachael Petrime on December 11, 2014 10:34 am

      Queen Elizabeth is queen of many places. It is amazing that Scotland wanted their independence even though Queen Elizabeth will probably still be their queen.

      Reply

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